Registered user login:

Davis quits over 42 days

Ben Davies

Published 12 June 2008

Top Tory David Davis quits over his opposition to the 42 day detention decision in a major split with party leader David Cameron. Plus Stephen Brasher asks is this another George Lansbury?

David Davis's decision to quit Parliament in protest over MPs' decision to back the extension of pre-charge detention to 42 days caught Westminster completely by surprise on Thursday.

The shadow home secretary's announcement immediately sparked speculation that he had fallen out with David Cameron with whom he fought a sometimes acrimonious battle for the Tory Party leadership in 2005.

Cameron was quick to say Davis made a "courageous" choice - though he sounded less than warm when he stressed it was a "personal decision" and nothing to do with him, shadow cabinet or the wider Tory Party. He also announced he was appointing Dominic Grieve as the new shadow home secretary in a swift turnaround of frontbench personnel.

The Lib Dems will not field a candidate in the by-election in Haltemprice and Howden after Davis contacted that party's leader Nick Clegg late on Wednesday night. Clegg said the "unnecessary and illiberal" 42 day proposal transcended party politics.

Standing outside the Palace of Westminster, because the Speaker told him he could not deliver his statement in the Commons chamber, Davis said he was resigning over the "insidious and surrepitious erosion" of British traditions.

He cited not just the 42 days - which he speculated could be extended still further - but ID cards, the assault on jury trials, "shortcuts with our justice system" as a wider attack on some of the rights dating back to the Magna Carta.

"It is incumbent on me to take a stand to oppose the strangulation of British freedoms," he told reporters before stressing he would not be campaigning on other national issues.

There is no point in re-running the Crewe and Nantwich by-election, he said.

Davis's decision isn't without precedent in the annals of British political history. In 1910 George Lansbury became Independent Labour Party MP for Bow and Bromley, but after two years clashed with Liberal prime minister Herbert Asquith in the House of Commons over the issue of women's suffrage.

Like Davis, he too quit his his seat in order to run in a by-election in support of the Suffragette cause. He lost and didn't return to the Commons for a decade.

On the other hand, in 1972 Dick Taverne quit as Lincoln's MP and ran as an independent in the by-election because he disliked the leftwards drift of the Labour Party. He won but was booted out by Margaret Beckett (then Jackson) at the following general election.


More coverage: Hazel Blears asks what's really going on in the Tory Party. Martin Bright praises David Davis's decision plus don't miss Amnesty International's Sara MacNeice for her reaction to the 42 days decision


Post this article to

  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • newsvine
  • Reddit

32 comments from readers

thomas
12 June 2008 at 14:11

So I suppose the new statesman will be supporting the tories in this by-election then, will you? He seems to be doing this entirely to back a cause that you agree with?

Robert Powell
12 June 2008 at 14:56

A bit like backing Hitler because he's a vegetarian? Mmm, good point Thomas.

Richard
12 June 2008 at 16:06

This is beyond party politics. Freedom is the most precious (man-gifted)commodity we have. Regardless of politics, we must all applaud Davis's courageous stance. (Please note Gordon, "Courage!") And thus I support Davis completely - and (Gordon, please note) I'm a Labour supporter and now a potential Tory voter. What's happened to Labour? What's happened to Labour's concept of truth, honesty and justice? Any evidence of the security benefit of 42 days? Shockingly the answer is no. And my perspective is that of a father of a much loved nine year old daughter. Given the massive erosions of freedom over the past ten years of Labour - I'm frightened for her future. Gordon, you should be so ashamed.

thomas
12 June 2008 at 16:42

No it's slightly different, Robert. Read my last sentence:

"He seems to be doing this entirely to back a cause that you agree with"

It's not a vote for him, or for the tories- it's a vote against the 42 days and other erosions of civil liberties. Go back and watch his resignation speech. Pay attention now.

Robert Powell
12 June 2008 at 17:17

Yes Thomas, or Thos if I may call you that, but to take it as you have one has to accept Davis is acting on his word and not in some ill bred fit of chagrin after a bust up with his leader.

cat osb
12 June 2008 at 17:35

An interesting stance by David Davis & not yet sure what to make of it. However, I agree with Richard's post. Things have come to a pretty pass indeed when one of Brown's few 'successes' is to win a vote on increasing the pre-charge detention period to 42 days thanks to the votes of those radical progressives, the DUP and Ann Widdecombe! This 'victory' will only serve to highlight the bankruptcy of labour's thinking and its increasing authoritarianism. For a party full of former human rights activists and one time civil libertarian lawyers, it shows a peculiar malice towards our historic freedoms. Perhaps Patricia Hewitt should now publish a second edition of her 'Abuse of Power: Civil Liberties in Britain' book, last seen, I believe, in 1981; it would be interesting to compare the changes over the last twenty seven years. Things can only get better......

Carl Jones
13 June 2008 at 00:06

Once again the NS drops an article and comments are lost. This morning I said this, or words to this effect.

"The serious worry is that MI5/Mi6 will now need to plan a false flag terror plot which will use all 42 days".LOL

This big risk facing DD is that what I speculate above could ruin his position. I suspect that like many others, DD doesn`t believe the terror construct. There is no doubt that the NWO/SIS are busy looking at potential candidates/options.

DD mantioned the DNA data base. The NS censored my comment over the HF&E Bill. I said this bill was about the master race and eugenics....DD was very right to specifically mention this. The DNA db has very little to do with crime. the gov./police have no intention of DNA profiling all crimes. The benefits agency uses lie detection softwear, so do insurance companies, so why aren`t our politicians subject to this technology? Criminals love performing their arts on CCTV. The technology exists to limit speeding cars, but the government prefers to shower guilt and responsibility on the citizen. Demorcacy needs a reason to exist....or should I say, the establishment/elite families fear the redundancy of their principle control mechanism. The present system of democracy is on the farside of the bell curve, just like globalisation, just like capitalism.LOL

Britain is a fascist police state. My father was a copper and so was his father and here I am at 47, never had a criminal record....I don`t trust the police and I can`t see that changing in my life time.

Gordon; if by some very slim chance you are reading this, I WILL NEVER CARRY AN ID CARD....NEVER! And I will enjoy watching the NWO police state cough up the wonga to have me locked away.LOL

cosmoos
13 June 2008 at 10:18

I find it amazing that the majority of the public support the 42 day legislation.At least that is what the media tell us?

We are in danger of taking our freedoms for granted.I was taught at school that thousands ,if not millions of people lay down their lives for these freedoms in WW1 and WW11.

We are now being told by the controllers that our security is more important than our freedom.

Sounds like something out of 1984 to me.

knave
13 June 2008 at 11:19

This is a clever move by the Tories.

It is also planned.

They will win the seat back with an increased majority. My god, Jack the Ripper could win a seat for the Tories in the present political climate.

It has 3 effects.

1. It makes the Tories look like the principled party for civil liberties. But I bet my mortgage that Tories keep the law when they are back in power and Davis will say "Well i don't agree but it is a majority decision of my party" or the much used "Well circumstances have changed" .

2. It will get them general support from the liberal middle ground. The people they need to win an election.

3. It will pile massive pressure on Brown and divide the Labour party.

Clever unprincipled politics.

Europhobe
13 June 2008 at 11:26

this entire enterprise can be summed up by one very simple word: ego

Derek Bennett
13 June 2008 at 12:40

David Davis is right to stand up for our freedoms and liberties, I just wish he would do the same against the imposition of the EU and its dreaful Lisbon Treaty which is far more important as that will make Parliament irrelevant and erode our liberties even quicker.

When Habeas Corpus is removed and the EU inflicts its Corpus Juris system of law we will lose our right to be considered inocent until proven guilty and the authorities will be able to accuse us of some trumped up crimes and lock us away for an indefinate period - 42 days is just another way this Government is implementing what the EU wants.

We should all stand firm against I.D. cards, the loss of our liberties, the increase in state sureveilance and terror laws such as RIPA which are now being used against ordinary citizens.

The only thing which makes me smile when reading the comments of lifelong Labour voters outraged by all this, every Labour government has been anti-liberty - so what else can you expect when you vote Labour?

C. MEE
13 June 2008 at 13:29

Yesterday I proposed Mr. Davis start a new "Party for Rights". The knight in shining armour thing.

Today I learn he supported the death penalty and scrapping the Human Rights Act.

Oh dear!

drew
13 June 2008 at 15:09

"I find it amazing that the majority of the public support the 42 day legislation."

The problem is that the majority of the public are people like Cybertiger and Knave. Not exactly a wealth of rational thinking and logic.

knave
13 June 2008 at 15:42

thank you drew but if you have read my posts

I am against the 42 day rule.

No matter

James
13 June 2008 at 16:22

Politics in a Mass Media pseudo-Democracy (whatever that means- I make up terminology as well Carl Jones) is all about posturing.

Extending the suspension of habeaus corpus to 42 days is posturing to look strong. That's why there seems no connection between the legislation and the opinions of related experts etc.

David Davids (who looks just like Bob Roberts- good film, see it!) is posturing to look like what MPs should be: defenders of English liberty.

No NWO (ala David Icke) constructs here Carl Jones. No attempts to create a totalitarian superstate either all you Winston Smith lovers.

It's just a show. Acting out roles to change perceptions. Brown or DD would cancel Christmas if it made them look like strong tireless leaders suitable to rule.

But no matter. There is still sometimes the possibilty that political posturing can have good side effects. Lets hope DDs actions have some positive outcome above and beyond his own branding as the rightwing rebel.

Southfork
13 June 2008 at 18:17

Dont understand what you English are getting so worked up about. At least you have the Rule of Law, Independent Judiciary, Parliament, the European Court of Human Rights. Nothing like Guantanamo Bay or Judicial torture could have been authorized.

Terrorism is an ideological issue for Americans. Not a criminal one which is what it really is. Funny how Europeans love disguise and the illusions that addressing causes stops it ( or any other crime).

The US is in a much bigger moral mess than you guys. They are much more worried about cameras!!!

Are you pissing in your knickers because you have nothing else to bitch about?.

Carl Jones
13 June 2008 at 22:51

Howdy in "Southfork", we also have a World Court which has failed to prosecute Tony Blair and as for Guantanamo, its just a decoy for the dozens of NWO torture camps and trying to crash a CIA 747 on London....life is so purple.

Cybertiger
14 June 2008 at 10:51

@drew (where did you spring from)

>> "I find it amazing that the majority of the public support the 42 day legislation." The problem is that the majority of the public are people like Cybertiger and Knave. Not exactly a wealth of rational thinking and logic.

Cybertiger
14 June 2008 at 10:56

@drew (where did you spring from?)

" "I find it amazing that the majority of the public support the 42 day legislation." The problem is that the majority of the public are people like Cybertiger and Knave. Not exactly a wealth of rational thinking and logic. "

Actually, I believe that terror will remain undefeated unless a democratic majority of Americans are placed in quarantine within top security accommodation. I firmly believe that ‘internment in Texas’ (the walled state) at Her Majesty’s Pleasure (pleasuring Her Majesty?) will keep us all safe in blessed perpetuity. However, I don’t believe there is majority British support for such life saving legislation – sadly.

PS. Apologies. An NWO computer glitch defeated my first attempt at a complete posting along this thread.

Admin
14 June 2008 at 11:03

I'm always watching...

Carl Jones
14 June 2008 at 12:15

Hi Admin; DD represents large group of educated people who do not believe the NWO terror construct.

When you start telling lies, two things start to happen, people start believing these lies....often their own propaganda....and two, more and more lies are required to support the official position. DD has done the right thing. He can win the vote, but he can`t win the truth.

If he wins his seat back, the SIS will sanction more false flag terror...of course, these attacks would happen anyway. As we close in on the US election anything could happen.

42 days will need to be realised, yet the USofA gets by with ""one day".lol

Of course, the US is a big gun carrying country. With the level of brainwashing so complete, it actually hinders those who would sanction flase flag terror and as a result it becomes VERY risky.

Here in the UK we have 1000`s who are alledgedly engaged in terrorist activities, but are freely walking the streets. We have a MSM and NWO controlled politicos who rant on about the time it takes to examin a hardrive...this is utter bogwash. If I work on my computer and don`t connect to the internet, or I use two computers, one for the internet and the other internet clean. the SIS are going to find it very hard to catch anyone, These computers can be very far apart. It is your internet activity, where you go, what you send and what you receive. Most of us have stuff on our computers which we know nothing about.

All internet traffic is monitored, all email is read, all phone calls are listened to, even internal calls at your place of work. Your mobile and house phones are listening devices..on or off and receiver down. TV`s and computer screens with tiny cameras built in by the manufacture. All "A" and "M" road traffic is tracked, every town and city has CCTV! They can get you anywhere. Hardrives are a NWO decoy.

No serious terrorist would touch a mobile phone, or landline. No serious terrorist would use a computer. Its beggers belief that al-Qaeda (NWO MSM construct) who "ALLEDGEDLY" carriedout 9/11 (lol) would deploy such incompetent operatives. Sure, there are troublesome elements, but these are not a serious risk. MI5 likely has two agents in every Mosque in Britain...these wannabees are nothing but SIS patsies.

Just sit back for a moment and think about just how ha

Cybertiger, I`m haing the same issues when I post. Must be those "dark forces" at work.lol

Carl Jones
14 June 2008 at 17:39

Is that how spell "psychiatrist"....these people very clever. If I had a psychiatrist, it would be a woman.LOL

Carl Jones
14 June 2008 at 22:35

What is going on in the intelligence community? Why are classified documents being left on separate trains? Who is doing this? Are SIS chiefs pre-empting serious leaks? Or, like DD representing educated none believers in the sham war on terror, could it be there is a growing group of SIS terror disbelievers who have taken matters into their own hands?

The MSM are doing a hatchet job on DD. However, you can tell they are in unknown waters. Gordon Brown has called DD`s action a "stunt". Of course, in the modern context of whip politics, anything original could be called a stunt.

So far the strongest candidate looks like an ex editor of the Sun....he was caught (planned/unplanned) slandering the City of Hull which is still recovering from a NWO weather modificaton attack.

David Davis looks a hundred time stronger than Westminster and this is why the public must demand an end to party politics....remove the corruption, remove lobbying and return purpose to the people. I suspect that DD didn`t trust the Conservatives on repealing terror legislation.....

....remember how Blair had to beg to the City that nothing significant would change before they would give him power, well, Cameron will need to do the same on the war on terror and this is the reason why David Davis went aloan. It is better to have tried and failed, than to not try at all.

Here is the News, next week we will be reporting a story on how the Royal Navy lost a nuclear submarine.....details to follow as this event hasn`t taken place yet.LOL

bripat22
15 June 2008 at 03:38

I see a 1979-80-like reckoning in the Labour Party after the next election over this issue among many others.

Carl Jones
16 June 2008 at 12:51

I wonder why this article was moved so quickly on a Monday morning? Maybe some of the comments are a little hot for Westminster.lol

Admin
16 June 2008 at 13:02

Yes that was it Carl. In particular your comments about [bleep]. You really touched a nerve with the controller.

Viscount Firm
16 June 2008 at 13:06

Quit over 42 days, eh? Seems a very long-winded resignation. Get on with it man.

antileft
16 June 2008 at 15:44

Haha yaknow admin, you delete a lot of my posts, usually because Im showing contempt for your entire publication, but I have to admit- that was pretty funny.

Carl Jones
17 June 2008 at 10:34

Admin, I sent you an email about the fact that someone is commenting under my name. Comment 22 was not written by me. So YOU have a security/ legal issues which need to be resolved.

Admin; who owns the NS? Which political party is he attached to? Who is David Davis making a fool of.....Westminister, Labour, Gordon Brown and the SIS?LOL

Of course, when the NS censors comments it doesn`t remove the offending word or sentence "(bleep)". No, it removes the entire comment.lol

David Davis has broken through the NWO sham war on terror agenda....MI6 must racking their oversized brain, "to bomb, or not to bomb".lol

antileft
17 June 2008 at 14:21

Come on Carl, admin himself just admitted quite clearly that he's a part of the NWO. Look, it's pretty clear:

"Yes that was it Carl. In particular your comments about [bleep]. You really touched a nerve with the controller."

So you may aswell stop moaning about it and get over it.

Carl Jones
19 June 2008 at 10:11

Labour has said it will not field a candidate against David Davis in the coming Haltemprice and Howden byelection.

While I believe democracy is an elite construct, it is shocking that Labour voters and pro-police big brother lovers, will be denied their alledged right to vote.

This is an excellent example of why party politics is dead. This is like Manchester United saying we don`t want to play a fixture. I think Labour should forfeit the next election and be stopped from fielding any candidates.

Democracy is a sham, but lets see it evolve beyond party politics where people of principle, (like David Davis) can flourish, instead of a hidden elite group who weild true power behind the illusion of our present democratic construct.

skawf
29 June 2008 at 14:01

i'd be quite interested, given the record amount of candidates standing in this by election, to see whether the same model will apply in a general election. to have people from all walks standing on issues rather than the same faces standing for the parties. wouldnt it be interesting if 70% of all MP's from all parties got thrown out, and 'REAL' people got elected to represent us at long last. well possibly not, cause if you take a fruit n veg seller away from from his stall, an give him not only the wages, but all the perks an mp gets, he would probably be far more open to corruption than most of the mp's we have now, but less wise to the whole thing.

Post your comment

Please note: you will need to login or register before your comment is displayed on the website

We want to encourage people to comment on our content and to exchange views with other readers and hope this will be done on a courteous basis. However, if you encounter posts which are offensive please let us know by emailing comments@newstatesman.co.uk and we will take swift action where necessary.

About the writer

Ben Davies

Ben Davies trained as a journalist after taking most of the 1990s off. Prior to joining the New Statesman he spent five years working as a politics reporter for the BBC News website. He lives in North London.

Read More

Vote!

Is this the worst economic situation for 60 years?